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Of what is this 'evidence'?

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Roman Catholic Diocese v. Cuomo

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Feedback [11-30-20]

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Thanksgiving Thread

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Peremptory Challenges [11-23-2020]

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Feedback [11-17-20]

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Your questions, doubts and concerns about confrontation and cross as core jury process.

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Feedback November 10

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Feedback [11-09-20]

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Discussion Group 2 [11-9-2020]

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Election Night

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George Fisher Caves [11-03-2020]

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Feedback 10-27-2020

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Discussion 10-27-2020

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Hypothetical 10-19-20

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Surveillance 10-19-20

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Feedback October 13, 2020

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REVIEW - October 13, 2020. Please offer questions and concerns.

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Feedback Oct 6, 2020 - violence of discussion for some

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Feedback Oct 5, 2020 Fair

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Gatecrasher - Who Wins?

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Blue Bus

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Conjunction --In what order should we decide the elements of the alleged crime?

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Prison Yard - Can WE prosecute all of them?

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Feedback [09-29-20]

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Would you be interested in joining together in threads while watching the Trump-Biden debate?

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feedback sept 28

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What is your biggest fear going forward?

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BIAS (in judgmen)t

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Feedback #1

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racism - anti-racism

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what is your passion?

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What do you feel you have to learn about fair trial? Do you feel that fair trial matters?

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OP: What was our thread yesterday evidence of? And please give us feedback.
Callisto: Can we please get a link to the thread from yesterday?
Sateda: Housekeeping Question: Is the paper due a the end of the exam period?
Neptune: The Thanksgiving Thread was evidence of communication of passion. Many people have such wonderful things to say and their colleagues got to hear, see, and feel it. I loved it.
OP: @Mayena:
Hyperion: Would love if people could elaborate on their issues with the breakout rooms
Glyswen: The thanksgiving thread actually baffles me
Luna: Same @Glyswen
Proteus: How do you find the balance between not being the "bully" who takes over the conversation but also breaking the tension of silence that constantly reappears? I like expressing my viewpoints, and I also like hearing other viewpoints. I do not want to take over the conversation, but I also don't want to sit in a silent breakout room.
Jupiter: Doesn't sound like you're the bully!
Centaurus A: I feel like this class has been about highlighting four or five selected inadequacies in our jury trial system.
Neptune: We had a wonderful breakout room where everyone spoke of their topics and everyone else (who had their cameras on) asked follow up questions. It was terrific.
Mars: We also had a break room with no fore person where everyone (cameras on and off) spoke without being asked or prompted
Tatooine: I had a great breakout room today- lots of conversation, very natural flow
Mercury: I really don't know what the story is behind the Thanksgiving thread. The one that was emailed out seems very different from the threat here titled "Thanksgiving Thread" and we never talked about Gorsuch/Roberts in this class so it seems to have just come out of nowhere
Foam: We also had a great breakout room and it didn't matter if people had their cameras on or not. Everyone took a turn to have their voice heard.
Tatooine: I think the camera issue can go either way- sometimes people with their cameras off are active participants in the discussion and sometimes i dont know whether they are there
Stygga: True Luyten, There just hasn't been that much actual meat to the class, I think partially for no fault of the teaching team, but because people just want to keep hammering the point that the system is vaguely unfair
Mars: I mean if their camera is off there could be a host of reasons why...
Tatooine: ^agreed, not saying it's wrong
Pinwheel: I can only echo that - our breakout room was great. We did not assign a foreperson but when the TA joined, we kind of flocked around that TA. The TA was appointed by Professor Nesson and was not a "juror" so we felt comfortable letting him lead. Would have been different if the foreperson was appointed at random.
Proteus: I think the Thanksgiving thread is evidence that there are many more people at HLS who disagree with the dominant narrative (the narrative that Democrats do no wrong and Republicans do no right) than they would ever let on in class.
Callisto: There is no pleasing everybody, and every action can be interpreted negatively. Sure, someone can say that cold calling people with their camera's off is wrong. Others could say they feel shut out since they can't have their camera on (unable to visually indicate desire to speak) and appreciate being invited to participate by name. I think the key is charity be charitable with your classmates and assume the best of each other
Sullust: i agree with Mariah's point about the moderation style. it sometimes feels awkward to be called on to comment when I haven't articulated my thoughts yet or formed a real opinion that I feel is worth sharing. I feel more comfortable speaking when i have something meaningful to contribute and don't want to talk just to talk.
Mars: ^^^ agreed. I think she was doing her best to say the cold calling sometimes has a chilling effect, especially if people aren't ready to speak. Let's "be charitable" with her as well.
Hengfors: im still confused. is there a final exam or just the final paper?
Sateda: Just read that thread from the weekend for the first time and I am saddened/disheartened by the lack of awareness. Being upset about the hypocrisy I understand. But feeling as though no actions are necessary to combat the virus is complete nonsense. If you look at the numbers in the past two weeks, we have had an average of 1500 deaths per day the past two weeks. Without taking actions to prevent spreading, there is no reason to believe that number would not be higher, and its a collective action problem so government has a responsibility to be involved. And in other countries where the central government has taken a larger responsibility, there are fewer cases. Right now at present rates, we are facing a 9/11 level catastrophe EVERY TWO DAYS and theres seriously a debate as to whether governments should take action and whether such action would be constitutional. No wonder so many people are depressed with the state of things right now.
Jakku: I think the Thanksgiving thread is evidence that HLS students, many who think themselves smarter and more fit to lead compared to the average American, are just as mired in American culture wars as your average fox news or msnbc viewer. Threads is often indistinguishable from youtube comments. More disturbing is that the values expressed in threads go unspoken but motivate the legal conclusions of the supreme court
Hengfors: I think we should not have a final exam--i think the final paper is enough
Sateda: Completely agreed bodrog- especially when you gift anonymity. I remember the good old days in 2019 when we actually had conversations face to face, and they were entirely imperfect, but not as hateful as this
Ban Ard: The cognitive dissonance of the leftist orthodox at HLS is striking. Reading comments you disagree with and then saying they are "4chan" or "youtube comments" and refusing to try to understand why the other believe what they do is why this antagonism and divisive culture exists. Both sides should step off their soap boxes and stop thinking they are too good to make an effort to understand the other side. It seems like the act of trying to understand different viewpoints is seen as morally wrong. Is it so dangerous to acknowledge the legitimacy of the feelings of others?
Glyswen: "The cognitive dissonance of the leftist orthodox at HLS" is something I would find on 4chan so yeah seems legit
Jakku: @Ban Ard I was speaking of both sides yet you assume you are under constant attack.
Wolf 359: I hear this a lot--the idea that "leftists" at HLS do not try to understand other perspectives. That is an absurd generalization. Plenty of people on the "left" do try to understand--and honestly by being at HLS we inevitably have to try to understand given the persistent conservative theories on which much of what we learn in law school is premised. We have conservative professors, a conservative dean who feels compelled (understandably, sure) to exercise great caution when confronted with requests/ideas that might offend that conservative alumni base. It might be worth dedicating more energy to trying to look for how people on the "left" ARE trying to understand instead of deciding that nobody tries. Maybe this is true for both "sides," but I can only speak to how I hear it. I try hard to understand and engage as respectfully. I'm not alone in that. Constantly being accused of not doing that gets exhausting and doesn't help your case. The conservatives at HLS aren't victims. We're members of this community together.
Luna: I want to footstomp the idea of being charitable towards each other, an aspect I feel is diminished on Zoom and completely lost on Threads
Wolf 359: *engage respectfully
Luna: ^^^yes @Pont Vanis
Luna: (about engaging respectfully. Applies to everyone)
Wolf 359: People on the "left" also aren't a monolith. Don't force us to be. I'm sure the "right" would argue the same thing (e.g., the Lincoln Project v. QAnon subscribers). We're smarter than that kind of ignorance, y'all.
Wolf 359: Saying this as someone who identifies as very liberal--even radical--but who has several conservative family members.