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Of what is this 'evidence'?

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Roman Catholic Diocese v. Cuomo

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Your questions, doubts and concerns about confrontation and cross as core jury process.

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REVIEW - October 13, 2020. Please offer questions and concerns.

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Feedback Oct 6, 2020 - violence of discussion for some

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Gatecrasher - Who Wins?

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Blue Bus

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Conjunction --In what order should we decide the elements of the alleged crime?

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Would you be interested in joining together in threads while watching the Trump-Biden debate?

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What is your biggest fear going forward?

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BIAS (in judgmen)t

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racism - anti-racism

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what is your passion?

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What do you feel you have to learn about fair trial? Do you feel that fair trial matters?

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Mustafar: I still would love to have Gaia and Anthony give a breakdown of the lesson at the end of class
Rigil Kentaurus: I agree!
Vega: Agree to that as well
Ross 248: We all love gaia and anthony don't we folks?
Triangulum: That we do
Houtborg: I really enjoyed today's discussion.
Vega: Also want to reiterate enjoying having them in the breakout rooms- so helpful!
Vega: Today was a really great class
Rigil Kentaurus: I also keep ending up in breakout groups with the same people, while there are others with whom I have never been assigned. I would love it we could maybe try to control for that/track that better.
Polaris: The structure of having three breakout rooms is really helpful.
Upper Posada: Actually liked being in Prof Nesson's breakout room because he just called on everyone so we had to participate
Pinwheel: I'd love for some varying perspective. Class is always 1-sided...capitalism is racist, everything is racist. Given the nature of the class and this school as whole, no student is going to speak up with that different opinion. As the professor, I think some effort should be taken to introduce some varying perspectives every once and a while
Rigil Kentaurus: Isn't that "varying perspective" everywhere?
Hyperion: Good class. Didn't feel my group's spokesperson accurately captured our group's discussion. I think the spokesperson needs to be involved in the discussion so they can make sure they understand what is going on.
Ross 248: If you don't want the class to be one-sided and you hold an opinion of a contrasting side, the solution is to speak up.
Hoags Object: I liked that there was a TA or professor in every breakout room to push along the discussion. I think my breakout room probably would have sat there silently the whole time if not. I like that they appointed a foreman to report to the whole class. I think it would have been better if the foreman was appointed at the beginning of the discussion so that they know to take notes. Also, when the discussion goes quiet, I think the TA should be more proactive and call on people who have not yet contributed as much.
Vega: Second to appointing the foreperson at the beginning
Vega: @Hyperion if you feel that you are going to be better able to capture the thrust of the conversation, that's a good reason to volunteer to be a foreperson
Houtborg: we're all benefiting and turning a blind eye to what is essentially slave labor in China and we're doing it to protect this idea of "equality" within the states
Ross 248: @Betelgeuse wut?
Hoags Object: Now that the breakout rooms are supervised (which is a major improvement), I think it is important to have thread discussions in every class for people to voice dissenting viewpoints. No one in my breakout group, or probably any breakout group, was willing to challenge what is perceived as the orthodoxy here at HLS.
Houtborg: @Dakara people in the east work 80 hours a week to live at sustenance and we're totally fine with it because within our community (USA) we like having 40 hour work weeks and the ability to buy shoes for $25
Eysenlaan: @Pinwheel. It is very hard for a white male to voice an opinion in the class or in a breakout room. It is easier in threads, which we did not use today. I also would like varying perspectives and not an everything is racist perspective. However, when the topic is slavery what can you expect.
Ross 248: @Betelgeuse I agree but I'm not sure what it has to do with Fair Trial
Houtborg: while it's not the exact same thing, we're definitely cooperating with the oppression to protect our standard of living
Houtborg: it's exactly what we discussed in class today
Ross 248: @Saturn you object to an "everything is racist perspective" and then suggest there is a uniform "white male" opinion?
Upper Posada: I support a mix of moderated breakout rooms (please don't leave us @Gaia @Anthony) and threads discussion in each class
Houtborg: we cooperate with an outside community's (or multiple communities) exploitation of protected groups to protect our community
Eysenlaan: I did not say that there is a uniform male perspective. I do say that if a white male brings up an opinion that is not uniform to what we hear in class it will be rejected very stronly.
Rigil Kentaurus: I do not accept the narrative that challenging the supposed "one-sided" nature of the class or "the orthodoxy of HLS" is somehow an underrepresented minority voice. It's not. The entire country this school exists in, the principles it has traditionally reinforced, and the structure it largely upholds are embodiments of that "alternative" view. It's fine to practice articluting counterarguments to the extent that we can improve our own thinking, but these particular complaints are extremely harmful to classmates, the HLS community, and they aren't mysterious.
Hoags Object: I do not think Saturn said there was a "white male perspective." I think Saturn said that individuals who are white and make feel that they cannot speak up.
Eysenlaan: @Rhea, Yes
Rigil Kentaurus: POC and especially BIPOC are made to feel they cannot speak up throughout their entire existence. Maybe that feeling among white students is part of the learning process.
Houtborg: @saturn @rhea it's getting exhausting hearing this same thing every week. as long as you give your opinion in context and make sure it is based in some logical structure nobody is going to think you're a racist or whatever. my advice would be to quit being a pansy and just speak up
Hoags Object: @Messier: so anything you disagree with is harmful... typical. It is also typical that you see yourself as the victim even as you engage in suppression of dissent.
Ross 248: Well I'm white and male and when I speak in breakout rooms I give my sincere opinion. I'm pretty sure others in this class (conservatives even!) do that too. If you're afraid to voice your opinion because you're afraid someone will gossip about you or be mean in a breakout room that's on you
Houtborg: and if someone does think you're a racist for having a different opinion, is that person's opinion you really care about – you obviously have differing enough views to never be friends with that person in real life
Eysenlaan: I would like to be friends with everyone. When my voice is ineffective I just don't share it. That doesn't mean that I agree with what is said in class. I also believe that so many people are in a similar situation.
Rigil Kentaurus: No--you have mischaracterized what I said. Talking about "alternative views" for the sake of "enhancing class discussion" is a privilege. People who are direct targets of the ways in which those views oppress particular groups of people have to both manage the sense of personal attack and the expectation to engage in personalized discussion. Raising those views as some sort of "minority perspective," essentially for sport, is not a privilege historically oppressed groups of people can enjoy.
Rigil Kentaurus: *depersonalized discussion
Hoags Object: Nothing you can say at HLS is too far left to the point it could damage your career. Anything you say at HLS that is to the right of Hillary Clinton can damage your career. Not because it is extreme, but because there are people at HLS who will try to damage your career.
Ross 248: And you think you can fix this perceived problem by staying silent and venting anonymously on the internet?
Milky Way: This is an interesting conversation. I don't even know if it's a white male thing, it's just a monolith of self righteous virtue signaling assumptions and if you fall outside of that, you're anathema. I think it's insincere to just say "okay then just speak up." There's just a limit to how useful it is to hear the same baseline "everything is racist" discourse over and over again
Cantonica: Why did we move away from using threads? Was it because people were more willing to say how they felt even if it did upset the majority opinion? The majority here seems to believe that "the whole system is deeply racist and if you don't believe me, so are you." And if you think that I will disagree with that in front of future peers and employers, you are wrong. Perhaps I have a good reason to believe that the whole system, while definitely flawed, is not out to oppress minorities. I'd love to have a chance to share my opinion without being scared that it will ruin my career.
Rivia: @Proxima: Are you distinguishing outright intention to oppress minorities from action intended for other purpose but nonetheless having the unintended consequence of oppressing minorities?
Mirt: Ah the classic Washington v Davis question