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Proxima Centauri: asdfasdf
Jupiter: do I have the same pseudonym here
Jupiter: On an administrative note, the canvas page appears to still be unpublished
Deimos: same no canvas
Cloud City: impeach the president, no troops on the ground in Iran, and no exam in JuryX workshop
Scala: What has most troubled me today was finding out that a "No Exam" course can have a surprise exam announced on the first day. Ideal discourse about justice needs to be about clear rules. End this irregular "exam" now, please. Thank you!
Razwan: I'm curious to know if Professor Nesson's sense of cynicism about progress being made in civil rights litigation has changed since his time at the DOJ.
Takodana: I may be a simpleton, but thus far I feel like this class is making the obvious and simple convoluted and complicated
Milky Way: lol @ Cloud CIty
Io: I am looking forward to exploring the themes presented today in the context of the jury. I hope we can introduce ourselves to the whole class tomorrow if we are to be a true community
Luyten 726-8A: Professor Nesson – you have a very calm and approachable style. I'm looking forward to seeing what this class turns into. However, I have no expectations yet. I don't have any idea what this class is about yet.
Wolf 359: Personally, not into papers, I prefer to have an exam. it balances out the grading. Aka those of you that are gunners cant push out the people that don't live their lives in legal research <3
Scala: Exam in a No Exam course in the very essence of UNFAIR TRIAL
Jupiter: @Wolf 359 I don't think this is a research based class at all though. More about listening and thinking
Umbriel: Still can't get a clue on what this course will be about
Mars: In terms of provoking, I think the most provoking is the fact of how different the class is run compared to other courses at HLS. Perhaps that uncertainty about what this course looks like is the most exciting (and perhaps unnerving) part of class.
Tollana: 1) i love the portraits and mementos idea. i wish we could've done the mementos exercise but i found that idea to be very sweet and a wonderful refreshing break from the stark, cold, impersonal world of law school generally. 2) i'm fascinated by the idea of ubuntu philosophy and would love to learn more. i'm really interested in how, or more importantly if, that flavor of restorative justice could manifest in a capitalistic, individualistic state.
White Bridge: I hope that we can discuss more about juries and look forward to more hypos/simulations.
Takodana: I personally would prefer an exam - I think it at least marginally makes the grading slightly less arbitrary than class participation
Neptune: I would like to get a more full description of the structure of this Threads space--I understand that the goal of the site is to create a fully pseudonymous space, but given the fact that we are given assignments on here, I'm wondering the extent of the pseudonymous protection. Do you and your TAs have the ability as administrators to reach behind the mask for the purpose of grading? I'm just not sure how this works and how this site plays into our grade
Luna: it would be great if we could have clear guidelines about the topics we'll be covering in class, even if we do not have a fixed syllabus
Scala: Yay! Nesson, you're the best, dude!
Takodana: Nesson - when's your next poker game?
Europa: It is interesting that this course is not about the traditional course of jury or evidence. I am excited to learn more about how to find your SELF and what is the truth is. But I am not sure if the threads are monitored by the IT guy and if it is secure or safe to say what we want. Anyway, it is a good chance to spend this Jan term and hope we all get what we planned. God bless us! And it’s fair (!!!!) there is no exam!!
Dorian: First day of class was very unique. Never thought that I would have an assignment in law school that asked me to take pictures of another classmate. Was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it to be honest. Incredibly refreshing compared to other doctrinal classes and it gave me the opportunity to have an amazingly engaging conversation with another classmate whom I may not have met otherwise. Exam coming out of nowhere was meh but we will see if that changes. Also, love Sweet Pea
Deimos: couldn't he just give us the exact same question with a one day due date and don't call it an exam? what is the difference
Jupiter: It seems as if the premise of this class is based on finding the best way to get to the truth, however one defines truth (whether objective of defined by society or any other definition). I would like to challenge this goal as inadequate on its own. I hope that over the course of this class we don't think in purely abstract terms but consider real world power structures and historical inequalities
Tollana: i would die for sweet pea
Wolf 359: But can we have an exam option?
Jupiter: also yes, #sweetpeaforpresident
Milky Way: I'm curious about Ras Nesson's take on the progress of "justice" in American Society given his experiences from the 60's till the present. Would Ras Nesson say that American Society is "freer" and more "just" today than it was 60 years ago? Would Ras Nesson say that the civil rights progress that has been made over the past decade is merely a smoke screen and that we haven't made any real progress with regard to liberties?
Io: I would like a more clear guideline as to what counts as successful participation-- is this simply the amount of times we speak in class?
Razwan: what is your attendance policy
Pinwheel: Now that the exam matter is settled, my biggest concern is what day to day class sessions/conversations will look like. Otherwise, I'm here for this. Y'all go off, but know that I got time if somebody says something extra spicy.
Callisto: I liked the Rastafarian idea of introducing oneself as “I and I”. I do think there is an “I” through self and an “I” through community and wonder how the two complement each other/work together. I am excited to do more of these interactive exercises and appreciate that we do not have to share our opinion about them with the group afterwards because this would make me less open in the exercise. I am enjoying the teaching style and the dog.
Takodana: I would like to hear more about the Nesson's Jamaica trip in summer of '94
Proteus: Most Provocative Moment (for me): While I agree with the ultimate decision to keep discussions confidential, I think a discussion about its merits would have been valuable. I worry that some people agreed (or at least did not disagree) because they felt pressure to conform without being given an opportunity to share their opinion or engage with the dominant ideal of confidentiality. I think it might be valuable to discuss whether it is a worthwhile ideal and ensure we really are in unison about the decision to keep our communications confidential.
Yavin 4: This has been unusual. On the one hand, I appreciate Professor Nesson's intellect and the opportunity to meet new HLS classmates. I also look forward to having real, honest conversation and debate here. But on the other hand, I worry about how much we will "learn" in this class. This is after all, law school.
Earth: I am stuck stewing on the motion we made at the beginning of class to keep the classroom space confidential. I am sure Professor Nesson has received this pushback before and would be interested to hear his replies, but to me a confidential space is fundamentally problematic. In my experience, it is more of a license to be oppressive than anything else. I think people should be willing to have their names attached to any comments people make. Rather than pursuing anonymity, I would like to see a class where people are willing to have their views challenged, willing to understand the harms they cause, and willing to restore the damage they cause. I think that space would be far more productive than confidentiality and anonymity.
Deimos: Is the friday afternoon hangout thing something that we are supposed to organize or something that Nesson will let us know about?
Rigil Kentaurus: I am looking forward to exploring the open-ended questions posed in class today. The idea of a community-based sense of "I" in the Rastafarian culture was particularly appealing to me. Acknowledging that truth and identity are more than what is within and is in fact, dependent on the connections and interactions formed among society, is a crucial realization, especially in a courtroom setting.
Yavin 4: Anyone else interested in learning about juries?
Luna: if there's no way to tell who's posting in these threads, how would they count towards our participation mark?
Jupiter: I agree that 1. we should all introduce ourselves to the class, and 2. I would love to do the memento exercise sometimes! discussions are always better when you know a little about who you are talking to. helps you connect
Wolf 359: but is anyone else having to manually refresh the page to update the thread feed?
Scala: I'm the one who just asked that question: can you identify me now?
Takodana: I think confidentiality is good. I think we are all responsible adults that can be respectful, but it helps those that may feel uncomfortable say unpopular opinions without being worried about being labeled a "bad person"
Pinwheel: @wolf 359, we out here
Jupiter: @wolf 359, yes
Rigil Kentaurus: Can we revisit the grade distribution (read: likelihood of giving LPs) at some point?
Jupiter: @scala i forget who you are already lmao
Proxima Centauri: asdfsdf
Neptune: I'm concerned about the subjectivity of this grading system leading to the after-class "hangouts" having an impact on our grades. If participation is subjectively assessed, won't the gunners who go to every "hangout" on Friday nights get better grades?
Wolf 359: <3 appreciate y'all
Proxima Centauri: asdfasf
Lan Exeter: I appreciated the conversational mode of introduction, which brought the class to life and was a refreshing contrast to the wooden "name and rank" approach. The photography exercise was a novel touch. I like the idea of the photo as aiming at the essence, or "light," of something/someone, as opposed to mere depiction. I found especially thought-provoking the Rastafarian concept of "I and I," which reminds me of the "soul's dialogue with itself" (Plato), and of the Socratic view of the self as constantly in motion, coming into its own through conversation (whether the conversation is with an actual person with whom I'm faced, or with a competing voice within myself). I now also understand Bob Marley lyrics better. ("I and I" comes up a lot, and i never knew quite what he was saying.)
Mercury: How will participation be graded when we are speaking anonymously on threads?
Rigel: Ladies and gentlemen....I have some bad news...I didn't the job at fruit body is now your communion...
Takodana: @Rigel... watchu talkin bout foo
Vorash: One day in the middle of the night, two dead boys got up to fight, back to back they faced each other, drew their knives and shot each other, a deaf policeman heard the noise, and came and killed those two dead boys
Rigel: Where's the punchline?
Oberon: There is no life is nothing but a comedy....
Rigel: What outcry have you uttered about my person, you oafish brute? I shall cordially remind you that I was the best scholar in my law class in Oxford
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Rigel: Everything's not an anecdote. You have to discriminate. You choose things that are funny or mildly amusing or interesting. You're a miracle. Your stories have none of that. They're not even amusing accidentally. Honey, meet Del Griffith. He's got some amusing anecdotes. Here's a gun so you can blow your brains out. You'll thank me for it. I could tolerate any insurance seminar. For days, I could listen to them go on and on. They'd say, "How can you stand it?" And I'd say, "'Cause I've been with Del Griffith. I can take anything." You know what they'd say? "I know what you mean. The shower curtain ring guy." It's like going on a date with a Chatty Cathy doll. There should be a string on your chest that I pull out. Except I wouldn't pull it out, you would. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! By the way, when you're telling these little stories, here's a good idea. Have a point. It makes it more interesting for the listener.
Rhea: You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right. I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you, but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me. I'm not changing. I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get.
Procyon A: Ok boomer
Hoth: #freesweetpea
Sirius B: Can we PLEASE talk about the legalisation of hard drugs (coke, xtc, molly, speed...)? There are actually a lot of views on this